As soon as I started spraying, the force of the air from my sprayer blew the tape and plastic off. But it was so different. Poly is pretty thin on its own, so you shouldn’t need to thin it to spray it. I also know that I can dye or pigment the paint, but where can I get pigment that will work other than online or catalog? I just sprayed the laundry room cabinets. In most cases I have been able to spray my oil base, and come back in 45-60 minutes and spray some poly or poly/varnish over it. I painted cabinets once. . Last time I used Rust-Oleum water-based matte polyurethane. Polyurethane is typically hard, durable and glossy, and it is these qualities that make a finish vulnerable to chips and flaking. So this time, I’m just going to spray them, let it dry, and then wipe down the insides and it’ll come right off. I sprayed mine. But so do art paints, can these be clear coated with acrylic clear? I am sure the rustoleum spray paint is oil based. Especially if you just painted with a latex-based Enamel product, you CAN’T apply any “Polyurethane” or “Polycrylic” base product until the paint is FULLY CURE. When using the topcoat, do you use a sponge brush or roller, or the purdy brush? I’m telling you, this is my new favorite clear coat finish. Is tint that is used in house paint usable? SO the $2 Krylon wannabe is apealing as I may screw up and I would hate to waste $6-$12 on poly or lacquer. In my last post, I said that I was going to paint all of my cabinets with a brush because I couldn’t stand the thought of taping and draping everything for spraying indoors. My concern about putting a top coat on is if General Finishes will cause the color to yellow. That sprayer does a beautiful job with all kinds of finishes, including both oil- and water-based polyurethanes. Just think of it as another reason to take a break!! Here's how to successfully paint over polyurethane or other finished wood! It’s a topcoat, so it’s made to go over other finishes. It will wrinkle and raise up blisters in your finish. I will try it Now! They were unsure how other products will react with their paint. It really is amazing paint, and it’s pretty pricey. Yep! 1. If you are going to then use a water-based poly since it doesn't yellow like the oil based. Enamel traditionally refers to oil-based paint which dries very hard and will not rewet. What ends up happening is that when you go to polish it out, some areas become thinner and you get an odd looking yellow in some areas, a clear in others, etc. I am pretty sure BM is the same which is why they call them “color” samples and not “paint” samples. So why the change of heart? Polyurethane can be used over enamel paint, which often provides a harder finish than latex-based paints. Any other suggestions. I can’t guarantee your results, but on my own kitchen cabinets, I waited about 24 hours before topcoating. you sound like me working on taxes! So now I can fix the mistakes in my cabinets that the Minwax junk made on them. I actually ordered a quart of satin last year when I was having so much trouble with that one table I refinished/painted over and over. Smart choice! Did you light sand and use waterbased? Because I absolutely hate doing it!! By Yesterday I had to go to ACE and my Defthane was there again! You seem to thrive on working alone. 2. add topcoat And now two days later, my kitchen looks like this…. If I cant clear over oil base enamel such as these paints, do automotive paints work to swirl? For starters let me introduce the actual product to you guys. I’ll be painting it as soon as I’m finished with the cabinets. It is quicker for Oil-based paint (5 to 10 days). Can’t wait to see the end result! It adheres perfectly. And I worked hard to get those doors as close to perfect as I could, starting with hours of grain filling and sanding. And since this is my last time painting my kitchen cabinets for many years, they deserve the nicest sprayed finish I can give them. I have used the Advance paint on my last project. Have you heard anything about it??? I can get a wide range of colors at a few stores for only a $1 or 2 a can. I did that last time, and it was such a pain and a huge waste of time. Do you have to add floetrol to the poly when you spray it? Finances limit the paint job I can choose. I’m glad you’re sticking with the brass! I`m just wondering how you guys clear over enamel after doing a swirl? Con: Mixing Clear Coat With Enamel Car Paint. Well, I much prefer a true satin or matte finish, but having gone through this before, I knew exactly what I needed to do. Can I just use enamel underneath? Each brand will have a clear coat available that works well with their finishes, and instructions on the can about how to properly prep for the clear coat. ), Y’all, this is absolutely THE BEST water-based polyurethane I’ve ever used over paint. They also have clear lacquer in the same line and it is for exterior to, which makes me think it is not latex. In looking at the photos in your last post, I was having trouble tearing my eyes away from staring at noticeable brush strokes contrasted against the gorgeous smoothness of a door face. Click here for more info on the paint sprayer I use…. You can apply polyurethane over any type of paint, as long as it's clean and has been properly prepared. In most of the cases, you can apply Polyurethane over enamel paint. I have used the General Finishes poly you are speaking of on the top of any furniture pieces I refinish, and I will agree its wonderful stuff. I am going to give it another try. Oil based polyurethane will amber the paint, so use either water based polyurethane, or acrylic lacquer over your latex paint. A: Typically we refer to high gloss, smooth decorative top coats as "enamels". Actually, I commented on it a few days ago. lol. But, I certainly enjoy watching you with your DIY professional projects!) Copyright 2007-2019 - Kristi Linauer, LLC. Thanks for the info on the paint brand to use with cabinets and the finish. I always told my (numerous) kids, “Good enough, isn’t!”. Oil based polyurethane will amber the paint, so use either water based polyurethane, or acrylic lacquer over your latex paint. But I finally got it done. LOL, tea, Sunchips, Fig Newtons, podcasts . Learn how your comment data is processed. Polyurethane can be used over enamel paint, which often provides a harder finish than latex-based paints. I don’t always do it that way, but you will end up with a stronger and more durable finish that way. Painting a car makes it look new again. SW told me their sample paint does not have all the same properties as their actual paint, meaning it will scrub right off. I was thinking acrylic art paint would work under acrylic lacquer, maybe for painting. I so agree with you on the time it takes to prep everything if you are going to spray but it is worth it in the end. Local stores only have black and white acrylic paint and acrylic or polyurethane clear. I have no idea what the inside of those cabinets is coated with, but nothing sticks to it. Polyurethane originally was an oil-based varnish with more plasticity than older varnishes or paints. What a pain! I know, I know, no one likes to sand! One thing that's going to be extremely hard to answer here is what local stores in your area carry what. I’m so excited to see the finished project in your kitchen!! I Love General Finishes. Can’t wait to see your finished product. I always get a silky smooth finish and it is easy to wipe down and does not chip. So I took a hundred breaks a day, made excuses for why I needed to stop and look things up online (very, very important things, I’m sure! As far as tint goes, if auto body shops in your area have a local supplier, that's where I'd start looking. Why can it not be used? I’m sure of it. Check out this gorgeous finish…. You can apply "oil" based polyurethane over "oil" based enamel, you can also apply "water" based polyurethane over "water" based enamel, never mix the two, there's to much of a chance for problems. And speaking of finishes, this time around has been a repeat of the last time I painted my cabinets. But the finished cabinet door looks amazing!! In general, polyurethane is your standard “go-to” all purpose finisher. I have never used general finishes for a topcoat! Ahh that makes sense. Anyway, I brushed the General Finishes top coat onto the table top, and to be honest, I expected the same disappointing results that I always get from Polycrylic. Can i put a minwax polycrylic brush on gloss clear coat over a piece of spray painted wood? I highly recommend it. And since this is my last time painting my kitchen cabinets for many years, they deserve the nicest sprayed finish I can give them. And I also used it on the breakfast room table before I went back and darkened the finish with my stain/oil-based poly mixture. Failure to allow proper drying time can lead to the paint chipping or peeling, and may reduce the effectiveness of the topcoat. I need to know before I decide what paints to use. You can get universal tint at any art supply, and should mix with any medium. It is a good idea to check with the manufacturer of the enamel car paint you plan to use to make sure it can accept clear coat. But I have also used oil base primers and latex but I have used on bare wood or even painted wood that has been prepared. I do agree about the sheen of the satin. I did a test piece and it looks fine 24 hours later, but will it fail in the future or start to chip? I ended up having to sand that veneer stuff off almost completely before priming with oil-based paint and then painting in order to get it to stick. © 1995-2019 Harmony Central, Inc. All rights reserved. The primer color matters more when using acrylic enamel because it does not reliably cover the primer completely. I just don't know. My new question is whether glow in the dark paint works well under lacquer, although I doubt any one can answer that. That’s where Minwax Polycrylic fails me every time — when using it on large flat surfaces. Can’t wait!! I use masking tape and taped it around the top of the tile on the walls. Yes, I heard the same thing. I’ve never had even a hint of yellow with General Finishes. Will you be using the same sprayer that you used to paint with to spray the sealer? Front Porch & Exterior Makeover (In Progress). Depends why you want to apply the poly over the enamel. Spraying produces a more matte finish. Should I try sanding and polishing my dads pipe wrench that he painted with some to see if it polishes. . Spraying polyurethane with a paint sprayer takes out the most volatile variable and makes the entire project far less reliant on your skills as a painter.. Spraying polyurethane requires a few extra steps to ensure quality but the added effort will leave you with a better-looking finish and less time spent fixing mistakes.. I like to use a Purdy brush. They do this to prevent people from just buying four sample quarts instead of the pricier gallon of real paint. And yes, only water-based over water-based. Their idea of satin is quite different from mine, and it always seems more like a semi-gloss to me. Sample size is only to check out a color and give to kids for art projects ! I just never took the time to do it. That doesn’t mean that painting with a brush is wrong, by any means. All Rights Reserved. I am just starting my kitchen cabinets at the cottage. But I also want to keep costs low. (I’m battling cancer again, so I don’t have the energy to do those things. But the easiest way to remove that shiny top coat of lacquer or varnish is to rough it up with some sandpaper. Polyurethane finishes are paint-on liquid coatings used for floors, decks and furniture. I love that you not only talk about your successes, but talk about your failures and how you learn from it. I have never put a top coat over the paint. I have it pictured already in my mind and can’t wait to see if it’s what I envisioned! it has worn very well. Oil paints take a lot of time to dry. Applying polyurethane over a painted surface will give it an impeccably smooth finish. can you use polyurethane on metal? I was worried to try something else. Can’t wait to see your cabinets in all their glory. That was the true test because I brushed the General Finishes polyurethane on the top of the table. How long did you let the last coat of Advance paint dry before applying the General Finishes top coat? Yes, you can. How many coats of the General finishes did you apply? It dries hard, cleans easily, etc. How To Paint Over Polyurethane Painting over polyurethane requires patience, time, and effort. I don’t know what kind of paint they use for their samples, but I was disappointed because it didn’t seem like the finish would be easy to clean. (Can you tell I think that stuff is junk?). Did I miss it or have you chosen brass vs. black hardware? So I couldn’t bear the thought of wimping out on the actual cabinets just because I don’t like taping and covering everything. And wondering, “How can Kristi be OK with that?” Guess she can’t! I’m literally holding the top coat in my hand while I’m completely frozen trying to figure out what to do next (I don’t want to mess this up!) Thank you, That blue looks beautiful and smooth. It dries too fast for brushing, and it doesn’t self-level when rolling with one of those small rollers, so you’re either left with a finish with drag marks and uneven sheen from brushing, or a bumpy finish from rolling. I’m sticking with the brass. My favorite saying……..” If you don’t have time to do it right the first time…when will you find the time to fix it?” You continue to inspire me everyday! As much of a pain the prep work is, I”m so glad you changed your mind and decided to spray the cabinets. I get mine from one of those local cute painted re-fab/upcycle furniture shops- they stock a full line of paints and finishes. Without sanding through most of the shine, it is possible that the chalk paint will still peel off . 4. add final topcoat. Yes, you can put polyurethane over chalk paint. Urethane paint sprays in larger drops, creating better surface coverage. Wipe On Poly Over Paint Product Details. Benjamin Moore ADVANCE is my favorite paint! Sorry for all the questions Kristi. Polyurethane is a mix of resins and oils that provide a glossy sheen to wood surfaces. That is quite the prep project. Learned that the hard way. For best results enamel paint should be allowed to dry for three to seven days before applying the finish. I’m applying two coats of the top coat. I’ve heard that you should wait until the paint cures but with the advance, that is 30 days! Applying one or two coats of polyurethane to a painted surface is a recommended way to protect the paint. Furthermore, polyurethane application is a very simple procedure that virtually any household handyman is capable of tackling—provided, of course, that they're armed with the proper set of tools and a helpful set of instructions. I found I preferred tung oil, and I DID try that on paint, it worked well. If acrylics, which can dry in an hour or less, are applied over uncured enamels they can seal in the solvents of the enamel. The people at Benjamin moore said that you should only use their product the “Stays Clear”. Apply a wipe-on polyurethane varnish to protect the paint job if desired. Lightly sand the paint (wipe off) I did it in the color greyhound by Benjamin Moore. Sometimes it’s the only option, and if that’s the case, you can get a beautiful finish with a brush with some patience and attention to detail. The odometer reading over time is plotted on a graph so it is easier to see inflections which are indicative of changes in usage/ownership. Thanks So if you want to find local- you might have to sniff around. I can get ply in a can and tint it then use my small airbrush to paint it, but this may require thinner and one more thing to screw up. I think it is the acrylic that has black and white color "lacquer" available for the same $6 price. If your car needs a new coat of paint you will have to have the car prepped. My cabinets have all been painted…and I’ve taken a TON of time painting each one. Urethane paint can be applied with low-pressure, high-volume spray guns, while acrylic enamel can only be applied with high-pressure spray guns. Hopefully someone with your similar personality trait (i.e., someone who naturally hates to work alone) and who has found some solutions will read your comment and give you some pointers. I think it’s a personality thing, so I don’t know that I can offer any suggestions. When a painter uses the word "enamel" he is usually referring to a high gloss, smooth, decorative alkyd and/or acrylic top coat. I noticed you covered the floor, the backsplash and even hung plastic sheeting. When a car is painted with acrylic enamel, a clear coat is applied over the paint. Maybe the difference is you know how to paint. I don’t plan to paint my cabinets again for a very long time, so taking the extra time to do the absolute best job I can this go ’round is worth it. I had a heck of a time painting the insides of those four glass-front cabinets. Y’all, I have a new water-based polyurethane over paint favorite! We’re in the planning stages of building a house and it’s really helping me figure out what we want to spend the money on the contractors doing and furniture we’ll buy vs what we’ll do ourselves.Thank you so much for sharing! Any special prep before laying down coats of clear? . ), ate way too many Sun Chips and Fig Newtons and drank way too much tea (because as long as my hands are busy doing something, then I can trick myself into thinking I’m working hard and making progress), spent way too much time on Instagram during the day, and stood around listening to podcasts while staring at my kitchen and dreading the job . Oh and when I read that you were brushing it on- I wondered what that was about. The curing process takes at least 20 days but can be 30 days or more for Latex paint (depending on condition). Is it possible to spray polyurethane enamel paint without a catalyst/hardener? . 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